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			    TRAVELLER Digest 269

Topics covered in this issue include:

  1) Re: K'kree	by "Upton, Django" <DUpton@VTRNNTOV.TELECOM.com.au>
  2) Re: digest 268 (K'kree)	by A.S.Lilly@bnr.co.uk (Andy Lilly)
  3) Re: TRAVELLER digest 268	by Jo Grant <Jo_Grant.LOTUSINT@crd.lotus.com>
  4) Vanishing Historical Records	by Mark Clark <markc@brahms.udel.edu>
  5) Re: TRAVELLER digest 268	by "Cibic Boris - CESP, 888, 305sb, UID=30143"
<QCIBIC@st.vse.cz>
  6) Gliese Catalog	by ccjoe@showme.missouri.edu (Joseph Heck)
  7) Model/3? Model/2bis? Model7/fib?	by ehenry@Newbridge.COM (Ethan Henry)
  8) Re: TRAVELLER digest 266	by YOUNGM@axe.humboldt.edu

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Date: Fri, 28 Apr 95 12:03:00 EST
From: "Upton, Django" <DUpton@VTRNNTOV.TELECOM.com.au>
To: tml <traveller@MPGN.COM>
Subject: Re: K'kree
Message-ID: <2FA16985@msmailv0.telecom.com.au>


Bri Kaszycki <bri@teleport.com> writes:

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 Does anyone out there have any info ect. On the K'kree race?
from what i can glean about them in the tne book.
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What you need is the K'kree alien module. This is an (apparently rare) CT 
module with lots of stuff about K'kree in it.

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They seem to be a relativitley isolated race/goverment and given this I 
would assume that they would have a diffrent computer system then the 
standard Imperial.
 So with that in mind, am I the only one who thinks that they would have
survived the Virus alot better off then most?
 ----------------------------------------

Yes their computer systems probably would have been different but that makes 
little difference to GDW's Virus.

The K'kree generally only settled worlds they could live on without lots of 
technological assistance. They were however heavily dependant on robots and 
computer systems to run their spaceships etc. The combination of these 
factors is that a greater proportion of the K'kree race survived the Virus 
but are living at low tech levels.

Django.


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Date: Fri, 28 Apr 1995 09:07:48 +0100
From: A.S.Lilly@bnr.co.uk (Andy Lilly)
To: traveller@MPGN.COM
Subject: Re: digest 268 (K'kree)
Message-ID: <199504280911.FAA04245@Mithril.MPGN.COM>

In response to Bri Kaszycki <bri@teleport.com> asking about the K'kree:

> Does anyone out there have any info ect. On the K'kree race?

I've got the CT Aliens K'kree book at home.

>...They seem to be a
>relativitley isolated race/goverment and given this I would assume that 
>they would have a diffrent computer system then the standard Imperial.

This sort of topic has been covered before and has sparked major flame wars
over the authenticity, realism, etc. of the Virus concept, but to summarise
briefly:
(1) the Virus spread initially through transponders
(2) the official line is that everyone, everywhere, had to have these
transponders on their ships
(3) therefore everyone has the Virus (QED).
Not quite logical, but assuming everyone uses similar BASE computing
technology e.g. reprogrammable silicon-(or other)-based chips, then all such
computers would have been infected.
The K'kree's relative isolation might have helped reduce the spread, but
some effects would have been far worse.

For example, K'kree ships are a minimum of about 1000 tons displacement
because the K'kree hate confinement, so the ship interior is a mock plains
landscape (grass et al.). Everything (yes _everything_) gets recycled via
clever microbiological systems. However, I got the impression most of the
ship would have to be cleverly controlled by a computer. A Virus'd CPU could
lose the oxygen, reduce to zero temp, etc. - things which humans might be
able to survive if they could get into a vacc suit with a long enough air
supply. K'kree, assuming they clamber into their cumbersome vacc suit in
time, would probably die of mental anguish due to their claustrophobia-like
effects after only a few hours.

> So with that in mind, am I the only one who thinks that they would have 
>survived the Virus alot better off then most?

Perhaps.

> Was just wondering. because the idea of a K'kree scout with a small 
>amount of backup going exploring/land claiming(depending on how they are)

As noted on ship sizes above, replace the word 'small' with 'large'. They
might certainly come and strike some retribution on the burger-eating worlds
of the humans (since K'kree are solely vegetarian and view meat-eating as,
at best, cannibalism and, at worst, genocide).

Hope this helps.

Incidentally, teleport.com isn't anything to do with the Teleport computer
peripherals/supplies/sales/etc. company is it?

Andy


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Date: 28 Apr 95  9:04:36 EDT
From: Jo Grant <Jo_Grant.LOTUSINT@crd.lotus.com>
To: traveller <traveller@MPGN.COM>
Cc: "gdw.support" <gdw..support.genie..geis..com@crd.lotus.com>
Subject: Re: TRAVELLER digest 268
Message-ID: <9504280941.AA11998@internet1.lotus.com>

Yo Loren!
    It is evident from the various GDW and Digest Group
Traveller publications that the occurance of stars have
already been worked out for a considerable number of
sectors around the Imperium. All those high-resolution
starcharts have dots going way into the Rolomani Rim
and Vargr Extents.
    Is this data kicking around GDW in any form that
you can let out? I'd be happy to pay you to make a
copy of it if it is on 5.25" disks and reformat it for
modren media in the name of historical preservation :-).

   Jo

PS: I understand your plight. My wife studies ancient
Sumer and Babylon. Thank god the kept all their "paperwork"
on clay tables and some of their libraries had the good
fortune to burn down, incidentally firing the clay into
pottery :-)

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Date: Fri, 28 Apr 1995 08:32:16 -0400 (EDT)
From: Mark Clark <markc@brahms.udel.edu>
To: traveller@MPGN.COM
Subject: Vanishing Historical Records
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.950428081455.12670A-100000@brahms.udel.edu>

As a historian whose specialty is the late 19th and early 20th century, 
I'm a bit more relaxed about the ongoing deterioration of records and 
film.  The problem that I've experienced is not a shortage of records, 
but a positive oversupply.  Modern court records, in particular, are 
stuffed full of paper with almost no historical value.  

Archivists are finding that the biggest question they face these days is
what to throw away so as to preserve space for future aquisitions.  I've
recently been hired to work on a research project that will look at
business history records to aid archvists in doing this triage - it's a 
very real problem, this excess of paper.

In some ways, the deterioration of so much paper is a blessing in 
disguise - every piece of paper that rots away is a paper that you don't 
have to read when you're doing your research.  

By the way, there are a number of companies that are working on this 
problem.  In the case of paper, it's already possible to extract the 
residual acid and prolong the life of the paper indefinitely - it's just 
expensive and time consuming.  There have been some experiments with bulk 
treatments that seem promising, but it's going to be some years before 
these techniques are widely available.

Of course, this has some applications for roleplaying - making the 
players look for that one copy of the data they need that's printed on 
high-acid wartime paper (journals and books printed in Germany between 
1940 and 1945 are rotting at a much higher rate than peacetime material) 
can be lots of fun.  One thing Loren didn't mention about early film 
stock is that, if it isn't stored in a climate controlled environment, it 
deteriorates and becomes explosive!  Many of these early films are now 
stored in ammunition bunkers for just that reason.  Now that's what I 
call risky research!

Mark Clark

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Date:          Fri, 28 Apr 1995 14:41:43 GMT+100
From: "Cibic Boris - CESP, 888, 305sb, UID=30143" <QCIBIC@st.vse.cz>
To: traveller@MPGN.COM
Subject: Re: TRAVELLER digest 268
Message-ID: <22605864DF2@st.vse.cz>



 Does anyone out there have any info ect. On the K'kree race?
from what i can glean about them in the tne book. They seem to be a 
relativitley isolated race/goverment and given this I would assume that 
they would have a diffrent computer system then the standard Imperial.
 So with that in mind, am I the only one who thinks that they would have 
survived the Virus alot better off then most?
 Was just wondering. because the idea of a K'kree scout with a small 
amount of backup going exploring/land claiming(depending on how they are) 
could make for a interesting campaing and one I know I would at least 
like to give a look at. Would be a major culture shock if it was their 
first exploration.
 Anyways, any info and or how to make K'kree characters would be 
appriciated in the fullest sense of the word.
bri


-Please ditto for this information for user/subscriber in the Czech 
Republic.  In addition does anyone at GDW hwo the distributor of 
Traveller products is here in the Czech Republic is?  I managed to 
optain some copies of MegaTraveller book set from a relative (my 
cousin) in Canada.  Who introduced me to this wonderful game.  I like 
the discussions that take place but often I feel out of touch with 
the latest developments in the game.  My cousin has tried to keep me 
get me some magazine articles from Digest Group Publications journal. 
 Does anyone out there (hyperspace/cyberspace) know whree I could 
obtain some new informations or at least photocopies of out of date 
material?  
Thanks,
BJC

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Date: Fri, 28 Apr 1995 13:56:37 -0500 (CDT)
From: ccjoe@showme.missouri.edu (Joseph Heck)
To: traveller@MPGN.COM (TML Submissions)
Subject: Gliese Catalog
Message-ID: <9504281856.AA80559@showme.missouri.edu>

Thanks Harold!

Actually, I've seen your list (and used it already), I'm just fiddlin' with
data and burning strokes on our Unix box here. It was my understanding from
god-knows-where that there was going to be an expanded Gliese out sometime, 
reaching to over double it's 1991 range.

(I've been using the 1991 catalog for a 3D space campaign, but traveller
can move through 80 lyrs amazingly fast... especially since I started them
30 lys away from earth).

I've been locating clusters of stars from that data. If there's interest, 
I'll post out some of the extensive/bizarre bits I've picked up.

-- 
 joe                          (314) 882-5000
 ccjoe@showme.missouri.edu    University of Missouri - Columbia  
 "with a little practice, writing can be an intimidating and
 impenetrable fog!" -- Calvin
 <A HREF="http://www.missouri.edu/~ccjoe">ccjoe</A>

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Date: Fri, 28 Apr 1995 17:20:30 -0400
From: ehenry@Newbridge.COM (Ethan Henry)
To: traveller@MPGN.COM, xboat@MPGN.COM
Subject: Model/3? Model/2bis? Model7/fib?
Message-ID: <9504282120.AA27549@ck32.newbridge>


Ah, what that subject actually means is that I was wondering
what kind of computers all you TML/XBOATers run on.

More specifically, if I was to make some semi-useful piece of
software (or, even better, if someone else was to make something
similar) what platform would you like to see it on?

Like,

 - Unix/X - could use Tcl/Tk and some free db package...
 - Windows - I have an ooold copy of Visual Basic
 - Excel - Excel 5 has a lot of programming support
           and is available for mac and pc
           (apologies to that Lotus employee I've seen abouts)

 - etc, etc

Now, I'm not promising to actually make anything, but I think it
might be useful to know what kind of software would get used the 
most (ignoring things like whether or not it sucks).

Ethan

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Date: Fri, 28 Apr 1995 14:35:35 -0700 (PDT)
From: YOUNGM@axe.humboldt.edu
To: traveller@MPGN.COM
Subject: Re: TRAVELLER digest 266
Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9504281457.B539361283-0100000@AXE.HUMBOLDT.EDU>

Hi everyone, long time listener, first time caller here...

Inspired by Mr. Bailey's Near Bootes Commonwealth I have decided to 
create my own pocket empire around the Easter in subsector C of the 
Solomani sector.  I decided that since the Easter Concord was created as a 
"mutual defense union which grew into a trade and commerce union as 
well...which remained a secure bastion of civilization throughout the 
Long Night" (Alien Module 6) that the time was right for a return.

The Easter Concord declared its independence from the Imperium in 1127 
(arbitrary date--I have to check Survival Margin (in storage) and 
Rebellion Sourcebook (I have to buy) to see if I contradict the canon--it 
would be nice to be accurate...

But speaking of accuracy, how would Easter survive the Collapse?  It's 
listed as AAE7977 Hi Fl in the Solomani book that spells death in TNE 
terms.  What the Hell is an "E" atmosphere anyway?  Just really exotic?  

A couple more questions:

Did the Solomani retake Easter during the Final War?  If so, when and for 
how long?

What about those Vegans?  Are they allies of the K'Kree?  (just kidding)

What are some sources I should consult about the area? 


Thanks for taking the time,
Merrold Young

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